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Simply put, The Women's Money In The Bank Situation is the one big issue that will hopefully prop up 2 solid hours of TV... we already knowreturning GM Daniel Bryan is opening the show at 8pm sharp to "address" it, and the rampant buzz is that he will declare some sort of rematch, orotherwise force Carmella to defend her briefcase...

For those of us in Dayton: if it's a straight up First Time Ever Money in the Bank Free-per-View Rematch Match, and it happens tonight,that'd be awesome (and screw you haters who were indignant about the first match ending sh*ttily!).... given no hint of an official main event,and the fact that opening segments are usually where main events are made in the absence of a pre-existing one, I gotta figure this is, at the veryleast, possible....

Then you've got Baron Corbin strolling around with the Men's MitB, which is a whole lot of "who cares?" until the WWE Title is actuallyinteresting again.... which it won't be, since you can make a case for Jinder Mahal vs. Randy Orton still not being QUITE done with eachother.... the tag division is in solid shape, with the Usos killing it as heels, and both the New Day and Fashion PoPo providing solid entertainmenton the babyface side; with Zack Ryder's return, there's now almost too much strength on the face side, and thus, a sense that one of theseteams is gonna turn or go heel (I presaged a Mojo Rawley heel turn, but I hereby switch over to Zack being the guy who turns, after seeing someoneelse suggest it in the MitB PPV thread)...

That leaves a shake-up among AJ Styles, Kevin Owens, the US Title, Shinsuke Nakamura, Sami Zayn, Dolph Ziggler, and that whole underneath crew to comeup with ways to keep the entire rest of the show interesting.... Corbin vs. Nakamura is the only thing that seems to immediately make sense as along-standing feud, but we'll see about the rest... [keeping in mind that Mike and Maria won't immediately drop to the lower-card, thatRusev is due back any week now, and that guys like Harper and Rowan are just sort of sitting around doing nothing... so there ARE some fresh pieces tomove around, too]...

That is all. End communication....

The flOOr is yours, OO Nation. Don't wait till after 11pm to post, either. Pre-show previewing and prognosticating is certainly welcome. So discuss, debate, and rate!

[Edited on 6-20-2017 by OORick]

But if the "addressing" of the MITB situation doesn't include the proclamation that going forward there can be no one aside from thecompetitors and referees at ringside for the match, or at the very least the clarification that no one other than the competitors can retrieve thebriefcase (or whatever is hanging above the ring in any ladder match situation), then ladder matches are basically ruined forever, because there willbe no logical reason why every competitor won't have a constant stream of allies trying to win the match on their behalf.

With that said, I'm totally fine with Daniel Bryan negating the original match if it gives us a MITB match on free TV.

And I think what bothers me way more than the finish of the MITB match is the fact that the WWE has a TV show that features a talent pool of AJStyles, Kevin Owens, Shinsuke Nakamura, Dolph Ziggler, Sami Zayn, and Luke Harper, yet Jinder Mahal is the WWE champion, Randy Orton is the perennialnumber one contender, and Baron Corbin is 99% likely going to be WWE champion sooner than any of those other guys I listed.

(Eta: Even if, say, Maryse helps the Miz win things, we're used to that. But J. Ellsworth being 'Maryse' is somehow bad?)

When Nattie said she knew about long nights because of her cats, I lost it. I dun even no. But Nattie's Cat Lady gimmick is crazyhilarious.

[Edited on 6-21-2017 by Count Zero]

Oh man, that takes me places.

eta: Becky just buried herself in that promo. But it kind of works..

[Edited on 6-21-2017 by Count Zero]

quote:Originally posted by the goon
Tamina insulting Charlotte with the exact same insult she had just used on Natalya was, um, awkward.

Yeah, I noticed that too and was like.... .... .... ... Did someone screw up a line or something? Because that was just weird.

quote:Originally posted by the goon
Tamina insulting Charlotte with the exact same insult she had just used on Natalya was, um, awkward.

eta: also... Luke Harper vs Jinder Mahal.... for the WWE Championship. Mind: blown.

[Edited on 6-21-2017 by Count Zero]

quote:Originally posted by janerd75
I wonder how this whets The Rick's end-of-show appetite since he's so close he can taste Randy Orton.

Considering Rick was subjected to a main event portion consisting of Mahal/Harper, a Corbin cash-in fake out, and a Randy Orton run-in, on top of thepromise of a women's MITB match next week, I hope he at least got good and loaded during the show.

On the flipside, he did get to see a pretty damn great Nakamura/Ziggler match (which I think was definitely better than their match at Backlash acouple of months ago).

But to make a big deal about changing divas to women and putting up the FIRST EVAR Women's ladder match, it just wasn't the place toinsert a man as a deciding factor.

Elseworth 'winning' is not the same as a 'male Maryse' from a meta point of view and the refusal to let the women stand ontheir own as a booking decision is certainly the only reason I was upset.

quote:Originally posted by Jumbie
Elseworth 'winning' is not the same as a 'male Maryse' from a meta point of view

If Maryse were a male I'd probably still be sexually attracted to him.

Orton being Orton could always just shrug, and then show up clean shaven in the ring back in America behind Mahal without explanation.

I think the WWE still missed the boat on this whole MITB finish for the ladies; if this was the third, or fourth MITB they've been in and theywent with that finish then that's fine- typical heel stuff 101... but this wasn't just a lame outcome to a story; it's the WWEpatting themselves on the back for giving an extra five minutes a show to the ladies as they tout the whole Diva's Revolution, but are stilldropping the ball most of the time with Sunday just being a more glaring example.

quote:Originally posted by williamssl

quote:Originally posted by Jumbie
Elseworth 'winning' is not the same as a 'male Maryse' from a meta point of view

If Maryse were a male I'd probably still be sexually attracted to him.

Then boy oh BOY do I have something for you to find, to hunt. Relax,it's clothed.

Speaking of men doing better jobs at being women than actual women, I'm actually shocked at how much the Ellsworth interference really bums meout and pisses me off about the in-f*cking-augural women's MITB match. Like Flash and First mentioned, if it was, say, Dana helping out or the4th or 5th one of these things, sure.

But to have it happen like that is a sh*tty precedent to establish from a rules perspective. Yes yes, fake n' whatnot, but there are longestablished rules matches follow that usually aren't broken without some important mitigating reason. And certainly not on the first goddamnone, because it's utterly stupid that the initial WMITB will be remembered for an uncircumcised penis masquerading as a dude winning it. If therules really don't matter then I'll just go get really drunk and simultaneously watch the Arnold Classic, gymnastics, and MMA videos onyoutube until I get so lit they blur into something approximating a WWE I'd want to watch.

Have Ellsworth do some outside shenanigans to impede someone from getting Carmella off the ladder before she grabs it? Fine and dandy. Butf*ck's sake, "Here, have this"? f*ck that noise. f*ck it right in the manpuss*.

quote:Originally posted by SpiNNeR72
Was I the only one hoping Rick would come out for Owens challenge?

No.

I tried to scour the crowd best I could but alas I couldn't find anything to make a proper The Rick gif.

quote:Originally posted by the goon
I know I'm in the VAST minority here, but I didn't have a major issue with the finish of the MITB match, as to me it was just"Traditional Heel Tactics 101." Carmella was the only woman in the match with a lackey, and that lackey took it upon himself to help her win thematch when an opportunity presented itself. I totally get why people didn't like it, but if Chris Jericho can become the first-ever undisputedworld champion with mass help and interference (in two separate matches, no less), I can live with Ellsworth pulling the briefcase down for Carmellain the first-ever women's MITB match.

Yeah this is wrestling, it's a work and ridiculous things can happen etc etc etc, but there has to be some rock bottom baseline of what therules are and how matches work.

Negating the match is fine for now, but there has to be some clarification going forward that only the participants in a MITB/ladder match can be theone to retrieve the item hanging above the ring. Otherwise, as I noted before, there is absolutely no logical reason that every competitor (or at theleast every heel competitor) doesn't have every teammate/ally/whatever posse they can round up in the back rushing the ring trying to win ontheir behalf.