#Costs for developing countries (2024)

#365

Hi everyone,

Any advice on how to respond to requests like the one below? We did discuss options for members from developing countries at the last post-conference meeting, without coming to any conclusions. The minutes of that meeting (now available in this year’s materials because they need approving) suggest that I would consider options further. Actually, I can’t remember there being much support for suggestions to reduce fees for certain countries.

Any suggestions?

Thanks very much, see you soon.

Peter

From:یاسین امانی <yasinamani199418@...>
Date: Saturday, 28 August 2021 at 9:19 am
To: secretary-general@... <secretary-general@...>
Subject: <no subject>

#366

Colleagues,

I did a quick search and Mr. Amani and he has Linkedin and Researchgate profiles. He has a masters and appears to teach or be working on another degree at the University of Tehran, apparently in sports biomechanics/medicine. He appears to be young and likely has always lived under the isolation and sanctions placed on Iran for supporting terrorism and the war between Shia and Sunni Muslims.

My suggestion is to respond to him that we are sorry about his situation but our society tries to stay out of geopolitics and focus on open scientific inquiry and advancing the field.

The ISBS board, however, has had initial discussions how to handle needs from scholars in difficult financial situations (COVID, funding, conflict, etc.). These are difficult discussions given our society is small, has low membership fees relative to other scientific organizations, and few sponsors. We will update you on our discussions on this topic at our virtual conference this week.

Duane

Perhaps ISBS can offer a free trial membership (no journal access) to researchers from disadvantaged/developing countries for up to some number of years? This could be much like the family/emergency leave membership. All these special situations place added workload on the secretary general and treasurer.

From: Peter Sinclair via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 3:30 AM
To: exec@isbs.groups.io
Subject: [exec] #Costs for developing countries

Hi everyone,

Any advice on how to respond to requests like the one below? We did discuss options for members from developing countries at the last post-conference meeting, without coming to any conclusions. The minutes of that meeting (now available in this year’s materials because they need approving) suggest that I would consider options further. Actually, I can’t remember there being much support for suggestions to reduce fees for certain countries.

Any suggestions?

Thanks very much, see you soon.

Peter

From:یاسین امانی <yasinamani199418@...>
Date: Saturday, 28 August 2021 at 9:19 am
To: secretary-general@... <secretary-general@...>
Subject: <no subject>

#367

RJ

On Aug 30, 2021, at 08:19, Knudson, Duane V <dknudson@...> wrote:



Colleagues,

I did a quick search and Mr. Amani and he has Linkedin and Researchgate profiles. He has a masters and appears to teach or be working on another degree at the University of Tehran, apparently in sports biomechanics/medicine. He appears to be young and likely has always lived under the isolation and sanctions placed on Iran for supporting terrorism and the war between Shia and Sunni Muslims.

My suggestion is to respond to him that we are sorry about his situation but our society tries to stay out of geopolitics and focus on open scientific inquiry and advancing the field.

The ISBS board, however, has had initial discussions how to handle needs from scholars in difficult financial situations (COVID, funding, conflict, etc.). These are difficult discussions given our society is small, has low membership fees relative to other scientific organizations, and few sponsors. We will update you on our discussions on this topic at our virtual conference this week.

Duane

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Perhaps ISBS can offer a free trial membership (no journal access) to researchers from disadvantaged/developing countries for up to some number of years? This could be much like the family/emergency leave membership. All these special situations place added workload on the secretary general and treasurer.

From: Peter Sinclair via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 3:30 AM
To: exec@isbs.groups.io
Subject: [exec] #Costs for developing countries

Hi everyone,

Any advice on how to respond to requests like the one below? We did discuss options for members from developing countries at the last post-conference meeting, without coming to any conclusions. The minutes of that meeting (now available in this year’s materials because they need approving) suggest that I would consider options further. Actually, I can’t remember there being much support for suggestions to reduce fees for certain countries.

Any suggestions?

Thanks very much, see you soon.

Peter

From:یاسین امانی <yasinamani199418@...>
Date: Saturday, 28 August 2021 at 9:19 am
To: secretary-general@... <secretary-general@...>
Subject: <no subject>

Hello mr.Sinclair,I am so interested in becoming a member of ISBS but due to international transactions restrictions ,I can not pay for the fee.I live in Iran and because of sanctions imposed on us some limitations like this seriously irritates me and I do not know what to do.please help me.

Thank you so much

Best regards

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#368

Am 30.08.2021 um 17:17 schrieb Randall Jensen <rajensen@...>:

Duane,

I feel your response is well worded and appropriate.

RJ

On Aug 30, 2021, at 08:19, Knudson, Duane V <dknudson@...> wrote:



Colleagues,

I did a quick search and Mr. Amani and he has Linkedin and Researchgate profiles. He has a masters and appears to teach or be working on another degree at the University of Tehran, apparently in sports biomechanics/medicine. He appears to be young and likely has always lived under the isolation and sanctions placed on Iran for supporting terrorism and the war between Shia and Sunni Muslims.

My suggestion is to respond to him that we are sorry about his situation but our society tries to stay out of geopolitics and focus on open scientific inquiry and advancing the field.

The ISBS board, however, has had initial discussions how to handle needs from scholars in difficult financial situations (COVID, funding, conflict, etc.). These are difficult discussions given our society is small, has low membership fees relative to other scientific organizations, and few sponsors. We will update you on our discussions on this topic at our virtual conference this week.

Duane

Perhaps ISBS can offer a free trial membership (no journal access) to researchers from disadvantaged/developing countries for up to some number of years? This could be much like the family/emergency leave membership. All these special situations place added workload on the secretary general and treasurer.

From: Peter Sinclair via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 3:30 AM
To: exec@isbs.groups.io
Subject: [exec] #Costs for developing countries

Hi everyone,

Any advice on how to respond to requests like the one below? We did discuss options for members from developing countries at the last post-conference meeting, without coming to any conclusions. The minutes of that meeting (now available in this year’s materials because they need approving) suggest that I would consider options further. Actually, I can’t remember there being much support for suggestions to reduce fees for certain countries.

Any suggestions?

Thanks very much, see you soon.

Peter

From:یاسین امانی <yasinamani199418@...>
Date: Saturday, 28 August 2021 at 9:19 am
To: secretary-general@... <secretary-general@...>
Subject: <no subject>

Hello mr.Sinclair,I am so interested in becoming a member of ISBS but due to international transactions restrictions ,I can not pay for the fee.I live in Iran and because of sanctions imposed on us some limitations like this seriously irritates me and I do not know what to do.please help me.

Thank you so much

Best regards

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#369

Thanks everyone.

There is one more thing we could do. We could provide conference access to Mr Amani as a non-member. Would that be setting a dangerous precedent?

Thanks,

Peter

From:exec@isbs.groups.io <exec@isbs.groups.io> on behalf of Lorenzetti Silvio René via groups.io <sl@...>
Date: Tuesday, 31 August 2021 at 1:57 pm
To: exec@isbs.groups.io <exec@isbs.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [exec] #Costs for developing countries

Dear All of you,

It would be possible to use bank transfer to pay the membership fee. But Members from Iran are not able to access the journal. I would not recommend to make a new membership without the journal because I think publishing and literature are a corner stone of any scientific society. Therefor I fear that the answer of Duane is the best that we can do. Best regards, silvio

Am 30.08.2021 um 17:17 schrieb Randall Jensen <rajensen@...>:

Duane,

I feel your response is well worded and appropriate.

RJ

On Aug 30, 2021, at 08:19, Knudson, Duane V <dknudson@...> wrote:



Colleagues,

I did a quick search and Mr. Amani and he has Linkedin and Researchgate profiles. He has a masters and appears to teach or be working on another degree at the University of Tehran, apparently in sports biomechanics/medicine. He appears to be young and likely has always lived under the isolation and sanctions placed on Iran for supporting terrorism and the war between Shia and Sunni Muslims.

My suggestion is to respond to him that we are sorry about his situation but our society tries to stay out of geopolitics and focus on open scientific inquiry and advancing the field.

The ISBS board, however, has had initial discussions how to handle needs from scholars in difficult financial situations (COVID, funding, conflict, etc.). These are difficult discussions given our society is small, has low membership fees relative to other scientific organizations, and few sponsors. We will update you on our discussions on this topic at our virtual conference this week.

Duane

Perhaps ISBS can offer a free trial membership (no journal access) to researchers from disadvantaged/developing countries for up to some number of years? This could be much like the family/emergency leave membership. All these special situations place added workload on the secretary general and treasurer.

From: Peter Sinclair via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 3:30 AM
To: exec@isbs.groups.io
Subject: [exec] #Costs for developing countries

Hi everyone,

Any advice on how to respond to requests like the one below? We did discuss options for members from developing countries at the last post-conference meeting, without coming to any conclusions. The minutes of that meeting (now available in this year’s materials because they need approving) suggest that I would consider options further. Actually, I can’t remember there being much support for suggestions to reduce fees for certain countries.

Any suggestions?

Thanks very much, see you soon.

Peter

From:یاسین امانی <yasinamani199418@...>
Date: Saturday, 28 August 2021 at 9:19 am
To: secretary-general@... <secretary-general@...>
Subject: <no subject>

Hello mr.Sinclair,I am so interested in becoming a member of ISBS but due to international transactions restrictions ,I can not pay for the fee.I live in Iran and because of sanctions imposed on us some limitations like this seriously irritates me and I do not know what to do.please help me.

Thank you so much

Best regards

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#370

Hi all,

I agree that Duane’s general response is the best we can do for now. My interpretation of the original request was that Mr Amani was not paying because of logistical reasons (i.e. he could not complete the transaction process) rather than financial ones so I am not sure if this is necessarily a case of needing to support a member from an economically developing country. Perhaps we could just tweak that in Duane’s proposed response although it may not be necessary as I imagine it is likely a function of a political decision?

Best wishes,

Neil

From: exec@isbs.groups.io <exec@isbs.groups.io>On Behalf Of Peter Sinclair via groups.io
Sent: 31 August 2021 06:55
To: exec@isbs.groups.io
Subject: Re: [exec] #Costs for developing countries

Thanks everyone.

There is one more thing we could do. We could provide conference access to Mr Amani as a non-member. Would that be setting a dangerous precedent?

Thanks,

Peter

Dear All of you,

It would be possible to use bank transfer to pay the membership fee. But Members from Iran are not able to access the journal. I would not recommend to make a new membership without the journal because I think publishing and literature are a corner stone of any scientific society. Therefor I fear that the answer of Duane is the best that we can do. Best regards, silvio

#371

Hi all,

I think this is tricky but something important for the society to consider for the future. I noticed that we do have a paying student member from Iran this year, so if we were to provide free access for Mr Amani then perhaps we need to do something for the member that has already paid.

Just a thought.

Cheers

Ina

Van: exec@isbs.groups.io <exec@isbs.groups.io> NamensNeil Bezodis
Verzonden: 31 August 2021 11:19
Aan: exec@isbs.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [exec] #Costs for developing countries

Hi all,

I agree that Duane’s general response is the best we can do for now. My interpretation of the original request was that Mr Amani was not paying because of logistical reasons (i.e. he could not complete the transaction process) rather than financial ones so I am not sure if this is necessarily a case of needing to support a member from an economically developing country. Perhaps we could just tweak that in Duane’s proposed response although it may not be necessary as I imagine it is likely a function of a political decision?

Best wishes,

Neil

Thanks everyone.

There is one more thing we could do. We could provide conference access to Mr Amani as a non-member. Would that be setting a dangerous precedent?

Thanks,

Peter

Dear All of you,

It would be possible to use bank transfer to pay the membership fee. But Members from Iran are not able to access the journal. I would not recommend to make a new membership without the journal because I think publishing and literature are a corner stone of any scientific society. Therefor I fear that the answer of Duane is the best that we can do. Best regards, silvio